energy secretary, steven chu, ken salazar and epa administrator lisa jackson. that's just the first string. let's see who my panel thinks is going to change up. i think obviously petraeus is not hanging out for the second term. >> no. >> the interesting one is secretary of state. who goes in, in place of hillary clinton? >> i have no idea. >> i know the language has been susan rice as one possibility. susan rice, obviously, we've got the benghazi problem associated with her, whether or not that's over. then the other one, of course, is john kerry of massachusetts. the problem is if you pull kerry down from massachusetts, there is a guy walking around massachusetts right now who would like a senate seat, right? you could totally end up with a situation of him running again? any sense of how the president might negotiate that decision? >> no sense at all. you know, kerry has been widely known to covet this job for a long time. speaking for myself, i always thought he would make a fine secretary of state. in the old-fashioned sense of who would do a good job, this